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og
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 Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: Indonesians on NS issue |
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Indonesia asked exemptions
| Quote: | Indonesia has asked Singapore to exempt Indonesian citizens who are permanent residents from performing National Service.
Foreign Minister Hassan Wirajuda said that such an exemption was necessary as Indonesian citizens doing military service in another country risk losing their citizenship.
‘For our citizens, whatever the reason, undertaking foreign military training would mean losing their citizenship under the citizenship law,’ Mr Hassan was quoted as saying by the Republika daily on Friday.
He said that the issue of national service for Indonesian citizens with permanent resident status had been around since the Singapore government started requiring foreign citizens with such status to be enlisted.
‘In our communication with the Singapore government, we have requested that Indonesian citizens, including those with permanent resident status, to be exempted from doing national service,’ he said.
He did not disclose when the Indonesian government had made the request.
He also said the government could only remind Indonesians that under the law, their citizenship could be revoked if they agreed to be enlisted. |
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Asia/STIStory_209299.html
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SonnyBoy
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Puede rin bang mag ask ang Philippine Govermnent nito? SANA |
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og
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Do military service abroad, lose citizenship
Jakarta warns its citizens against doing national service in S'pore By Salim Osman
| Quote: | IN JAKARTA - JUST days after a controversy over Indonesians being recruited into the Malaysian military, officials in Jakarta are turning the spotlight on their citizens doing national service in Singapore.
In separate remarks to newsportal detikcom, top officials from the foreign and defence ministries warned Indonesian permanent residents of Singapore that they could lose their citizenship if they were enlisted.
'If they participate in national service, they will probably get into trouble with regard to their citizenship status,' the Foreign Ministry's Director for Protection of Indonesian Citizens and Corporate Bodies Overseas Teguh Wardoyo told detikcom on Tuesday.
He added: 'We can't stop Indonesian citizens, whether second or third generation, from taking up Singapore Permanent Resident status. We can only appeal to them to obey the law.'
Separately, Defence Ministry secretary-general Sjafrie Sjamsuddin told detikcom: 'Military service is only for citizens of the country. Just like enlistment into Malaysia's Askar Wataniah, foreign citizens with permanent resident status cannot be drafted for military service.'
The national service issue was raised amid a controversy over the alleged recruitment of Indonesian citizens into the Askar Wataniah, a paramilitary wing of the Malaysian army in Borneo where the two countries share a land border.
Parliament Speaker Agung Laksono called on the government to investigate, warning that border security could be at risk.
He referred to a report which said that Indonesians in the border areas in Borneo were offered between two million rupiah (S$310) and three million rupiah a month to join the Malaysian paramilitary force.
Both the Malaysian and Indonesian military have denied the report, and the focus of debate on the issue has now shifted to Singapore.
Legislator Djoko Susilo, a member of the parliamentary commission on defence and foreign affairs, told detikcom that second-generation Indonesians in Singapore had been asked to perform national service if they wanted to become permanent residents.
He warned: 'If Indonesian citizens perform national service, they will lose their citizenship.'
Now he wants Jakarta to deal with the issue, which he claims could jeopardise Indonesian security.
Meanwhile, Kompas daily yesterday quoted the First Secretary of the Indonesian Embassy in Singapore as saying that male Indonesians applying for permanent residency in the Republic were required to perform national service.
Mr Widya Rahmanto refused to comment on the question of Indonesians losing their citizenship if they did national service in Singapore.
But he told Kompas: 'In principle, it's best to avoid having to lose your Indonesian citizenship. You must hold on to your Indonesian citizenship until you are certain that you would get the foreign citizenship.'
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Advice about Possible Loss of U.S. Citizenship and Foreign Military Service
| Quote: | A U.S. citizen who is a resident or citizen of a foreign country may be subject to compulsory military service in that country. Although the United States recognizes the problems that may be caused by such foreign military service, there is little that we can do to prevent it since each sovereign country has the right to make its own laws on military service and apply them as it sees fit to its citizens and residents.
Such participation by citizens of our country in the internal affairs of foreign countries can cause problems in the conduct of our foreign relations and may involve U.S. citizens in hostilities against countries with which we are at peace. For this reason, U.S. citizens facing the possibility of foreign military service should do what is legally possible to avoid such service. |
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Bayabas
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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In my own opinion wala tayong magagawa sa batas ng ibang bansa.
Ika nga nila When you're in Rome, do what Romans do.
In short kung ikaw ay banyaga dito ,kailangan na makibagay ka sa batas ng bansang tinitirhan mo or pinupuntahan mo.
wala tayo magagawa sa batas ng ibang bansa, wala tayong karapatan magreklamo kundi sumunod lang. 
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mango
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buti pa sila, their government is somehow protecting their citizens, well at least yun ang pagkakaintindi ko dito, especially dun sa mga indonesians.
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| Bayabas wrote: | In my own opinion wala tayong magagawa sa batas ng ibang bansa.
Ika nga nila When you're in Rome, do what Romans do.
In short kung ikaw ay banyaga dito ,kailangan na makibagay ka sa batas ng bansang tinitirhan mo or pinupuntahan mo.
wala tayo magagawa sa batas ng ibang bansa, wala tayong karapatan magreklamo kundi sumunod lang. |
agree ako sa iyo... you are under the country's rules... kung ayaw mo ng rule nila umalis ka.. or do whatever is possible to avoid being under the rule... as for NS, eh di wag kang mag PR or mag citizen..
you cant have all the good things and avoid the not so good things being offered by a country... if you can get something from it, they should be able to get something from you... fair enough? |
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Davenport
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| Bayabas wrote: | In my own opinion wala tayong magagawa sa batas ng ibang bansa.
Ika nga nila When you're in Rome, do what Romans do.
In short kung ikaw ay banyaga dito ,kailangan na makibagay ka sa batas ng bansang tinitirhan mo or pinupuntahan mo.
wala tayo magagawa sa batas ng ibang bansa, wala tayong karapatan magreklamo kundi sumunod lang. |
Of course, we have and must have opinions, otherwise you are inviting yourself to become a doormat in this place. You should understand the history of NS here coz of the 'perceived'
threat from neighbouring regions of Malaysia and Indonesia Unfortunately,the indonesians mentioned that under the definition of the international law, only the citizens of that particular country are required to do NS and not the PR's...tough call ! |
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watsons
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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simple lang 'yan,
kung ayaw nila mag-NS, 'wag sila mag-apply ng PR,
at kung ako naman ang ICA,
at 'di pwede mag-NS ang Indonesian,
e 'di hindi ko approvan ang PR application nila.
tapos.. ahihihi !!!! |
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sentinel
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: |
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May kanya kanyang sovereignity ang bawat bansa na dapat irespeto ng iba. Kahit sa pinas, mahirap namang ang batas natin ay binabago para lang ma-acommodate ang batas ng ibang bansa.
Parang MC04, bulok na systema ng pinas na pilit sinusubo sa bibig ng mga dayuhang employers. Ano ngayon nangyayari, ayaw sundin ng employers kaya ayaw nila mag-hire ng pinoy, sino kawawa?
Pag nangyari ito, kawawa lang din mga indonesians. |
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czyreil
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| watsons wrote: | simple lang 'yan,
kung ayaw nila mag-NS, 'wag sila mag-apply ng PR,
at kung ako naman ang ICA,
at 'di pwede mag-NS ang Indonesian,
e 'di hindi ko approvan ang PR application nila.
tapos.. ahihihi !!!! |
hahaha.... galing ng logic mo.... simpleng simple diba? |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| watsons wrote: | simple lang 'yan,
kung ayaw nila mag-NS, 'wag sila mag-apply ng PR,
at kung ako naman ang ICA,
at 'di pwede mag-NS ang Indonesian,
e 'di hindi ko approvan ang PR application nila.
tapos.. ahihihi !!!! |
nyahaha!! eto mga post na namimiss ko eh! go watsons!
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czyreil
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: |
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pero actually me point din naman ang indonesia... kasi PR lang naman baket kelangan i defend mo ang country na nde ka naman citizen diba? eh pano nga kung mag giyera ang pinas at sg? sino ang dedefend mo? kung PR ka tapos citizen ka ng pinas tapos required ng pinas na all male citizens eh sumali sa giyera? patay na!
ang malinaw lang dito, alam mo na in the first place kung ano ang conditions ng pagiging PR... so nasa iyo na ang choice kung ano ang gagawin mo...
hay eto mapapaisip na naman kami nito! hahaha... sana wag magkagiyera! |
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og
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| watsons wrote: | simple lang 'yan,
kung ayaw nila mag-NS, 'wag sila mag-apply ng PR,
at kung ako naman ang ICA,
at 'di pwede mag-NS ang Indonesian,
e 'di hindi ko approvan ang PR application nila.
tapos.. ahihihi !!!! |
Seems simple but it's not. Most of these indonesians 'daw' asking for exemptions are the 'super rich kind' and are having some big business and investment here that is why they have this bargaining power unlike most of the pinoys. If they pull their assets here , it can actually throw off in a way the economy here as these rich indonesians are the biggest number of tourists and consumers of this island.....the question is...do you think the indonesians will ever ask this exemptions if they know that they can never win the argument. Remember...money talks? |
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czyreil
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| og wrote: | | watsons wrote: | simple lang 'yan,
kung ayaw nila mag-NS, 'wag sila mag-apply ng PR,
at kung ako naman ang ICA,
at 'di pwede mag-NS ang Indonesian,
e 'di hindi ko approvan ang PR application nila.
tapos.. ahihihi !!!! |
Seems simple but it's not. Most of these indonesians 'daw' asking for exemptions are the 'super rich kind' and are having some big business and investment here that is why they have this bargaining power unlike most of the pinoys. If they pull their assets here , it can actually throw off in a way the economy here as these rich indonesians are the biggest number of tourists and consumers of this island.....the question is...do you think the indonesians will ever ask this exemptions if they know that they can never win the argument. Remember...money talks? |
this was what i was discussing with hubby this afternoon... malamang nga yung mga ultra rich indonesians ang affected... |
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